There’s always one isn’t there…how f**king annoying. You know what Meat filled bollock cake, your argument sucks, nearly as much as your username! Why don’t you take your little selfish fur wearing attitude away from this enjoyable fun loving Gaga list and go and p!ss on someone else’s fire…in fact why don’t you set fire to your own coat, as I’m sure the least the animal deserves is a cremation, and then p!ss on that instead.

And yes, before you retort, I could do much more than just rant and swear, I could reel a list of objectifications as to why I think your argument is invalid because, guess what ‘Duchess’ I’m a writer too! But I fear my insight, knowledge and understanding would simply be wasted on you. And annoyingly you’ve already taken up enough of my headspace, by forcing me to write this agitated reply.

For my own peace of mind, I will end this comment on a positive note by saying thank you to Devil’s Food Cake for posting this top ten list and fighting your corner. Nice bit of backing from Fairy Cake too, well supported sista :)

I think what I’m trying to point out is that so much of what we use is derived from animals – and you shouldn’t agree with one thing and disagree with the other. I didn’t see that girl in the bar marching up to all the east london (i mean really. did she know where she was? east london! hello!) lesbians wearing their leather jackets, shoes, belts, bags, wallets, demanding why they were wearing an animal!

Of course I told her to jog the fuck on. If she wants to have a debate with me shes more than welcome to do it but not at a bar when I’m trying to enjoy myself. Its not the first argument I have had with someone over something I’m wearing on a night out – i think people should keep the debating to online, or maybe in the day time over a coffee! Not in a bar where there is alcohol and everyone is a tad heated.

I made my choice working in the leather industry, and I had a fantastic lecture on using animal skin from this little old man who taught Jimmy Choo. He taught me that to wear the animal, you first must appreciate it. Whatever we take from animals, we should aim to take it in the most environmentally friendly way possible. I was shown snake, lizard, frog, shark, even an elephants ear. and even some deer leather that had been retrieved from the bottom of the sea from a sunken leathergoods ship, still perfect to use despite being well over 200 years old.

The way i like to think of it is, I’ll make something out of an animal if I’m happy to eat it and do whatnot with the rest. Stuff like tigers, elephants, endangered animals etc, no. Its about protecting what we have, and making sure they way its taken is ok for the environment. i made my choice – for me, you either take what animals have or you dont. You shouldnt pick and choose in between the lines. As someone who wasn’t happy with the idea of being a vegan, it wasnt for me.

I could go on about this for ages and ages as you see. I’m happy with my choice and decision. And i can understand that people will always be a little bit ‘meg’ about fur – but you just need to understand that the word ‘fur’ covered any animal that has skin. Not something thats actually ‘furry.’

Hope this is better explained. I’m sorry if i caused any upset, i just need to defend my industry!

Although you have been polite in your responses to fur covered cake, you do contradict yourself…

@ Fairy Cake – I don’t think there was anything personal thrown about and agree that if an argument is to be made one should have full facts.

It’s just funny that as soon as someone mentions someting that probably doesn’t conform to the views of the writer, that person is branded as being rude.
You guys must know that if you’re going to put something out in the public sphere, there may be criticisms and you just have to accept that.
It’s fair to have a debate on matters and people’s opinions should be accepted, as long as their arguments make sense.

Also, shocking an animal does not keep them “half alive”. Oh and breaking an animal’s neck kills them instantly.

@ meat filled fur cake – Kudos on expressing your opinions. I know lots of people that wouldn’t because they don’t want to be lashed out at :)

I’m a little late in the day but, dude. I did my thesis on how internet-based communication allowed people to vent and provoke people in a way that would never be allowed in ‘real life’. You are a case study. There’s no need to be so inflamatory and personal. Are you attacking the person, or their argument? We’re all friends here at TMC. I can see you’re angry at DFC’s stance on this, but would you ever walk up to someone in a bar who was discussing this and say they were talking “bulshit”?

The condescending use of “honey” and “love” in your posts isn’t going to make anyone want to entertain your point of view. Next time you have beef with a point on here, it may be more beneficial to everyone concerned if you were a bit more empathic with your response. Your argument is completely valid, but your approach is off-putting.

There is a huge difference between food, which is a necessity for life, and fur, which is a luxury. That idea isn’t ridiculous – it’s a fact. I don’t know what the “these poor people” argument is, and can’t respond to it as a result. If you’re talking about the harvesting of fur for money, then I’m not sure what you’re arguing for. I agree that fur is a bad thing: it is a needless luxury in most places. Also not sure what the knowing her in person reference is about. I guess you’re making a dig, but as it makes no sense, it’s kind of ineffective.

It’s people like you that really annoy me, with your rediculous ideas about whats right and wrong. And if you wanna go into it, the meat from fur is a by product. Its sold on for glue/petfood/meat. Do you really think that the people in these poor countries that fur is from is just chucked? When they are doing what they can for money?

Soz, forgot you knew Lady G in person.

FYI – not all shoes are made of leather, so that argument kind of sinks. AND the by-product argument is valid, because if you’re going to kill an animal for food purposes, then you might as well use the entire animal. And, shocker of shockers, there’s nothing that says that the make-up Lady Gaga wears is tested on animals – though I know for a fact that she advocates for MAC which does not test on animals.

You can’t pick and choose your arguments. If you wanna be all ‘anti-fur’ then maybe you should go the whole hog.

Gaga wears makeup that will be tested on animals, leather, blah blah blah. All you anti fur people piss me off. Not because you are anti-fur, but because you just go along with this fluffy attitude that poor little fwuffy things shouldn’t be killed. I got news for you love, cow hides have hair on and its treated in an acid bath to remove it.

Oh and ‘it’s a bi-product’ isn’t really and excuse. is it.

I wonder how gay is she. . .

(I’m sorry if this comment doesn’t make much sense. I’m tired and my head hurts.)