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The Kiss-In in the John Snow: and what we can do about homophobia

April 16, 2011 RIGHT ON 8 Comments

by Petit Fours

The kerffufle at the John Snow pub in Soho this week – where two men were thrown out by management for kissing each other – reminded me of a couple of things. One, that it is still quite difficult to be openly gay in the UK, and two, that gays are great at organising themselves over social networking sites. The protest Kiss-In organised by blog So-So-Gay over Facebook and Twitter attracted national media, got hundreds of gays out in the streets kissing each other and forced the pub to close early.

The Gay Kiss-In at London's John Snow pub

There are lots of reasons to be really proud of the reaction to the incident – I am. I was also heartened to see that at the time of the eviction a nearby straight couple stood up against the ejection, and got kicked out themselves – that’s a big deal. And of course the response to the Gay Kiss-In and support from public figures on Twitter and so on was pretty phenomenal.

Inevitably though, it did bring me to reflect on a cold reality. The surprise in this story wasn’t that a pub in the UK was homophobic, it was that the John Snow, a pub full of media-types in the centre of London’s gay district was homophobic. What hope is there for Swindon, Glasgow or even Croydon if this is happening in Soho? [Grinds hand into face]

I imagine that in 90%-95% of pubs across the country, gay people kissing would have problems – whether it’s from customers or management.

The reason gay people aren’t thrown out of pubs for kissing more often is because they usually don’t kiss each other in pubs. Except gay pubs of course. Which is why gay dates often end with trips to G-A-Y Late or the local gay dive bar because if you’re going to put your hand on her thigh, you want it to lead onto a hot snog – not a fight with fellow customers, the necessity to make a political statement about your sexual orientation and a potentially hurtful situation where you’re made to feel humiliated and like the weird kid in the school playground, once again.

We self-censor a lot. Even as an uber-out gay living in London, I self-censor a lot. Clothes-wise – no, but behaviour-wise – yes. I wouldn’t kiss goodbye to someone at a bus stop, I’d lower my voice before saying the word “gay” in a cafe and I have never – outside Soho (a small area of the UK’s total landmass)- walked down a street holding hands with a girl. How are we going to improve visibility and make it possible to do this, if we keep stopping ourselves doing it?

Are we going to have to turn every nice sunny afternoon date into a political statement?

Maybe there should be some sort of touring gay kissing bus, which visits a few select pubs villages and estates across Britain each summer, dumps off a load of gays, who have little snogs, hand out leaflets and just raises awareness.. Perhaps we should start compiling lists and maps of pubs and places where it is certified okay to look and be gay and places where it isn’t, and start using public naming-and-shaming and pink pound power to boycott places where it isn’t.

Got any experiences like this? Bright ideas for improving things? Stick them below..

Currently there are "8 comments" on this Article:

  1. Jam Roly Poly says:

    I love this article. I have only held hands in public a few times and I didn’t find it fun or enjoyable really, just felt panicky and soon found myself slipping my hand away. It’s just not a battle I feel I want to have/ can handle but then feel conflicted because it’s like i’m not doing my part. Difficult.

  2. Swiss Roll says:

    I hear what you’re saying and I understand why some gays aren’t public about their gayness lol as in holding hands, kissing etc like you’ve mentioned. Because I am “publicly ” gay, I kiss my girl (when I happen to have one) in any pub, hold hands and do whatever couples do that’s acceptable in public. And yes I am greeted quite often with verbal and sometimes even with physical abuse. And yes if you aren’t strong enough (or stupid enough like me to think that you’re strong enough) DO NOT put yourself in danger. I won’t stop though, I will always be publicly gay because if we just conform to societies straightness, we’ll never be able to be OUT AND PROUD 24/7 and, as the below video mentions, we give people the chance to grow (watch it, it’ll make sense).

    Watch this:
    http://youtu.be/_ZCIsb9VUTQ

    Read that:
    http://brainwaves-libre.blogspot.com/2010/02/sign-experiencing-switzerland.html

    P.S. Well done to all those kissers who made it to the John Snow pub!!

  3. Scotch Pancake says:

    I am at uni in Edinburgh, and have never really encountered problems holding hands, or being affectionate on the street or in non gay pubs or other places. Sometimes I am a bit wary, and will drop holding hands if we walk past a large rowdy group in dodgy parts of town but apart from the odd wolf whistle or guys shouting things, we usually don’t get anymore than a double take, if at all. Most of my friends who are girls are the same, and show affection quite readily/without a second thought.
    Its definitely different for men though, my flatmate recently had a date – in a straight pub, wanted to kiss him, didn’t, and had to wait untill he was in our flat at the end of the second date to make a move. I think its more difficult for gay guys, although when I chat to my flatmate about it he says that its not that he knows that he would get a negative reaction from experience, its that the consequences could be so bad its not worth going for it, really. Which is such a shame.

  4. simnel cake says:

    Jam Roly Poly,

    I think you’re at risk of confusing your own issues with your sexuality with a risk of abuse or danger. I don’t mean this horribly.

    I’ve never not held hands with a girlfriend and, save a wolf whistle here and there, I’ve never had any trouble.

    Also, perhaps I’m in the minority but if any couple were snogging each others faces off in a little boozer, straight or gay…I don’t think I’d be crazy about it. Their first date was going so well- they should have just gone home and shagged!

  5. Petit Fours says:

    i’m up for an interactive, user-generated map of gay friendly and gay unfriendly places – i like to try and solve things with computer widgets. i’ll look into that.

    I’m a total wimp about holding hands in public. It’s just unpredictable what people will do. Though, yes, the worst i’ve ever had is someone saying “lesbian”. i guess if you look butch then you get that shit all the time, so you’d just be like – yeah – whatever.

    @swiss roll – great vid

    @scotch pancake – boys. Yes. gay boys have a much harder time of it – that is definitely true.

  6. Rainbow Loaf says:

    Hey first time poster, long time reader here :)

    I’ve been following this issue with great interest, as the inability for gay people to expess their love in public makes me hot under the collar, and not in a good way…

    When I have a girlfriend I generally don’t care who sees me kissing her, holding her hand, being affectionate. Cos I’m lucky enough to be in a country where I’m able to do so (to a certain extent, depending on location), and I’m gonna, screw what everyone else says – it’s not political, it’s how i feel. But I won’t put myself in danger or do it where it feels unsafe, or too ‘stary’. There’s not a worse passion killer than having a bunch of straights rubber necking at you when you’re having a (modest, I’m not a slurper) pash.

    I feel lucky to be able to be able to show some limited affection in public – the situ is dire in many other countries, and feel bad that our gay brothers are not as free as us to do so in this country, cos it is worse for gay men. This shouldn’t be.

    So while we are able to be affectionate to an extent, I think we should continue to do so, until it’s ok to do it everywhere. Until gay snogging is just background noise.

  7. bloomie says:

    I’m a NYer who has lived in London and visits frequently and I find it crazy how few same sex couples you see out and about in London, esp considering how much PDA there is in London as a whole.

    My British friends don’t even realize what I’m talking about till they come and visit me and I spend all day pointing out same sex couples holding hands, kissing, just living their life and then they realize that they very rarely see that in London. My gay friends don’t even consider showcasing that they’re a couple in public and it makes me so sad.

    I also find that there is a shocking lack of visible queer, non gender normative culture in London which I think contributes to the problem. It’s just not as omnipresent as it is here in NYC and other big cities.

  8. Petit Fours says:

    mm – those are really good points actually.
    interesting what you say about NY @bloomie.
    In fact, being with someone who’s really open and doing it a lot more makes you realise, that really, it’s fine, even if some people are a little bit “stary”

    Well – sounds like we all have a lot more public snogging to do.

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