Comments on: Sense and Sexuality

By: cevon

cevon — Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:04:14 +0000

Good points

By: Ewan

Ewan — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:49:20 +0000

I particularly liked the description of gays adopting/surrogating etc. as “Shooting for the net without the chore of running with the ball. It’s just not for me.”

When heterosexual sex is more of a chore than the often costly, stressful, drawn-out procedures by which gay men can get babies, you really do have to wonder how much you’ve really gone to the other side.

Also as a postgrad working on twelfth century historical chronicles, the reference to William Rufus is BIZARRE. Not sure taking moral lessons from post-conquest England is necessarily a particularly good idea.

By: petit fours

petit fours — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:43:32 +0000

great article, i was annoyed by Muirhead’s piece too: obviously it’s his life, his choice but does he need to give everyone a sanctimonious little preaching session on the way?
and of course, like silver bells says, getting a hetero marriage doesn’t automatically create a happy 2.4 family.
he also takes a cheap jibe at Peter Tatchell (who has done so much for lots of people) by making out that Tatchell was like, totally dez for him. It’s a rubbish way of denigrating someone with an opposite viewpoint.

@eleanargh… mm, was having a discussion about julie bindel with some friends. i don’t really get her point of view. why faff about distinctions which alienate trans people when there are so many bigger issues still unresolved like the old pay inequality and maternity leave issues?

@sky oh let us know if you get an answer back…

By: Sky

Sky — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:55:42 +0000

Well written article.

Just to let you know i’ve written a complain to the Times editor & still waiting for a response of some sort.
Cheeky little buggers not replying.

Well done again on the article.

By: Carolyn

Carolyn — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:47:27 +0000

The thing that concerns me about these ‘discussion’ articles is they are always followed by a comments section. During these people are allowed to express deeply homophobic views and extress hatred on a public forum.

I once set out a complaint to Press Complaints about the Mails reporting on the death os famous lesbian. her sexuality was not relevant in anyway to her death and yet they decided to sensationalise the story by using ‘lesbian’ in the headline. I look through previous reports of celebrities deaths and their sexuality was never mentioned when they were straight. I reported this but the commision said they couldnot take it up as it ‘Did not directly effect me’.

I think the best we can all do is to continue to make noise – and give generously to Stonewall so their press department can tackle this nonsense.

As for Patrick – God love him. He is clearly looking for acceptance and love and hasn’t had much luck so is trying a different camp. I so hope he finds it.

By: Decorative Silver Balls

Decorative Silver Balls — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:01:38 +0000

Oh dear, Patrick is clambering up the naïvety tree.

Quote ‘Some gay couples adopt; others follow twisting paths to biological parenthood, often quite expensively, with the involvement of test tubes and cash changing hands.’

What about hetro couples who adpot Patrick? What about hetro couples with low fertility who also have to ‘follow the twisting paths to biological parenthood’ with ivf treatment? Patrick, take off your grossly oversized rose tinted Elton John tribute specs, and consider that perhaps ‘making parenthood happen in the old-fashioned way’ (cringe! and! fume! cringe! and! fume!) ain’t always plain sailing.

good work fairy cake

By: eleanargh

eleanargh — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:37:53 +0000

Us and the Guardian against the world? We can’t count on the Graun all the way alas… we can’t even count on Guardian feminists not to hate on us and our friends. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/31/julie-bindel-transgender-nus